cbgog
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Post by cbgog on Mar 23, 2016 22:27:33 GMT
This episode was a long haul and I worked my ass off on the editing this time around. Please let me know what you all think! I plan on trying to get these out every two weeks or so.
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Post by digitaljoe on Mar 23, 2016 23:21:01 GMT
Before I go into this review I would like it to be known that Twilight Princess is one of my favorite games of all time, best Zelda by far. Don't disappoint me now I shall edit with my response after finishing it. EDIT: I think you made really good points on both sides (although I myself enjoyed the Wolf segments). The game's start is the absolute worst thing about it. Almost makes me dread starting a new game. And you talked about all the things I didn't think of about the game, such as the adventure feel and whatnot. I think the banter between the characters feels a little unnatural, but I wouldn't discourage you from using them. As constructive criticism I'd say work on getting your characters to feel more like real people talking among themselves. Other than that, I really enjoyed the video. I'm gonna do a video on Twilight Princess at some point. Maybe as a milestone video if I become famous enough ;P
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Post by cbgog on Mar 23, 2016 23:41:59 GMT
I absolutely love the game as well! Thank you sir for the review. I'll keep in mind your points moving forward. And I look forward to seeing your take on the game in the future. As for the characters: I do try to make them feel genuine, and it's tricky to strike the balance between good banter/ making points on the game. (I'm trying to make the videos still shorter than 10 mins) Seriously, thank you so much for watching!
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Post by Content Free Time on Mar 24, 2016 3:44:19 GMT
I think a minute into the video was a little too late to start the actual review, but from then on I really liked it! Well done.
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Post by mandaloregaming on Mar 24, 2016 4:22:55 GMT
Editing and content is good, but I'm gonna agree with Joe. The characters either need to be differentiated a bit more (getting VAs would help big time) or just remove them entirely and present both points of view as yourself. The content itself is solid.
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Post by TheGameStatistic on Mar 25, 2016 18:33:32 GMT
I keep giving the chars a chance but they don't grab me, and the in between bickering they do doesn't do much for me. You don't quite have the flair for playing two different characters that work off each other like some voice actors do. But if this channel is way for you to improve on voice work find some way to make the characters themselves a little more compelling. I'll listen to Huey and Riley talk about shit all day even though it's just Regina King talking to herself. The strengths in what your doing now are these sort of train of though reviews. Rather than going on from category to category, having these two characters that just sort of deconstruct the game while playing off each other is an interesting way to go about things. It's really all about the execution though. Some people are telling you to abandon ship. I'm telling you to work at it. Look into some voice acting tips, get a little more compelling or off the books with the writing and create two interesting characters. Then when you're all fancy and pro you'll look back on these and think "man i've come a long way"
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Post by cbgog on Mar 27, 2016 0:21:04 GMT
I keep giving the chars a chance but they don't grab me, and the in between bickering they do doesn't do much for me. You don't quite have the flair for playing two different characters that work off each other like some voice actors do. But if this channel is way for you to improve on voice work find some way to make the characters themselves a little more compelling. I'll listen to Huey and Riley talk about shit all day even though it's just Regina King talking to herself. The strengths in what your doing now are these sort of train of though reviews. Rather than going on from category to category, having these two characters that just sort of deconstruct the game while playing off each other is an interesting way to go about things. It's really all about the execution though. Some people are telling you to abandon ship. I'm telling you to work at it. Look into some voice acting tips, get a little more compelling or off the books with the writing and create two interesting characters. Then when you're all fancy and pro you'll look back on these and think "man i've come a long way" Thank you sir. I appreciate that. I assure you I'm always trying to improve, and I value criticism that's honest. Though the character shtick is still very young (these videos are the first time I've written scripts where two characters are talking and nothing else.) I'll say that the characters are what I'm more than likely going to be focusing on improving as I make the videos. I think I may need to provide more detail as to who they are, but as it stands I've got more of a talking point concept going at the moment. If I committed more to the characters then the game that they are discussing, it may feel that the show would become more of the "Ooh and Boh show" Vs. Is blank game good or bad with a touch of character. I'm not opposed to the ladder or trying to find a middle ground between these two concepts and I'll definitely consider these ideas in the future.
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Post by Tentacle on Mar 29, 2016 21:30:50 GMT
Some general thoughts upon watching the video:
Let’s begin with my obvious complaint. I absolutely hate the idea of you doing multiple gimmick characters.
Gimmicks; if they be voice edits or making your mascots their own separate identities is going outright to hurt you no matter how small or large you are as a channel. I’ve got friends with gimmick channels and they hate it because no matter what they want to try or produce, the fans will complain. Just look at Gajini Goomba and ask yourself “Is that what I want to be?”
The ghost is your primary character in your assets and you should shift the channels attention around that for branding proposes only; much like I have done with my own channel. I’d also avoid so many characters cutting in on screen. People watch a review for the gameplay and to hear why it’s good or bad. Having it condensed into one corner while a static drawing argues with your own strawman isn’t providing the “review” aspect.
You’ve got a decent sound set-up in your LP’s and you are wasting it on trying to be something you are not. Humour is not your strong point and I’d much rather see more thought-driven content from you in which you focus on select elements as to why you like or dislike an aspect about a game. Allows you to ramble and be free with your thoughts, much like this script was at points.
Thankfully the channel is still young and taking baby steps. Changes implemented now will only better your audience’s potential viewing experience.
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Post by cbgog on Mar 29, 2016 23:39:42 GMT
Some general thoughts upon watching the video: Let’s begin with my obvious complaint. I absolutely hate the idea of you doing multiple gimmick characters. Gimmicks; if they be voice edits or making your mascots their own separate identities is going outright to hurt you no matter how small or large you are as a channel. I’ve got friends with gimmick channels and they hate it because no matter what they want to try or produce, the fans will complain. Just look at Gajini Goomba and ask yourself “Is that what I want to be?” The ghost is your primary character in your assets and you should shift the channels attention around that for branding proposes only; much like I have done with my own channel. I’d also avoid so many characters cutting in on screen. People watch a review for the gameplay and to hear why it’s good or bad. Having it condensed into one corner while a static drawing argues with your own strawman isn’t providing the “review” aspect. You’ve got a decent sound set-up in your LP’s and you are wasting it on trying to be something you are not. Humour is not your strong point and I’d much rather see more thought-driven content from you in which you focus on select elements as to why you like or dislike an aspect about a game. Allows you to ramble and be free with your thoughts, much like this script was at points. Thankfully the channel is still young and taking baby steps. Changes implemented now will only better your audience’s potential viewing experience. I suppose I could be more direct in the specific branding of my channel. I think you make some interesting points about branding, but I'm honestly not to worried about that. If people like it, and don't like the other content, that's fine by me because I won't let them shift my focus to much. (Unless a patreon was involved or something.) I do the character shtick on purpose because I think it's fun. If I were more worried about my stats I'd probably follow your advise a bit closer, but as a whole the "gimmick" of the show isn't even close to intentional. The "Good or Bad?" isn't necessarily a review show either. More just a way to raise talking points that I wouldn't normally feel inclined to raise if it were just my opinion alone. I just thought of it as a neat idea to take my best character designs and make them act as the aggressor and defender of games that I enjoyed or hated. I get what you mean about "being a Gaijin Goomba" but I don't plan on letting the characters speak for me, they are themselves and that's it. I express my perespective more on the one I agree with. Thanks a ton for the feedback man. You've given me a lot to think about.
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Post by CraftyMattGaming on Mar 31, 2016 15:24:20 GMT
I'm going to agree with everyone else here. Your video was on point and you need to differentiate a bit more the characters. (Perhaps hit me up with voice work on discord)
You're doing good. Keep up the good work!
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